I just bought a Breitling Tourbillon. - Page 4

Michael · 11-21-2006, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Osnabrueck

Woah, Michael! That's the opposite of what I said.

The gist of my past dozen or so posts was that Rolex is perceived by the public at large as the "world's best watchmaker" because they don't know any better.

The Rolex brand has many feathers in its cap (perhaps most compelling is the Submariner story and the development of mass-produced automatic movements), but by no means does Rolex sit atop the totem pole of fine luxury watches.

Since Rolls Royce is the ultra-luxury car brand of record, so should they be mated with brands of equal stature. Rolex just isn't in that league.

Osna I realized it was the opposite. I am at work and have not had the time to correct it. So, I will just respond from this quote on.

How is Rolex not on top? I mean, some argue that Rolex is essentially like MB. The name is the keeps them alive in times of hardship whether it be company issues or quality issues. All in all, I think the Rolex has been presistent in keeping their image and quality alive. What happened with the Submariner?

Mikael · 11-21-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael

this is the one that my father has:
To say that Rolex is not up to par with RR is just wrong in my opinion. As Osna has said, Rolex is solidified in time as the best watch maker. Omega and others can come close, but they will always be second, even if it is a matter of degree. They are truly the best watch maker because they got their first.

Rolex is best watch maker? What about Patek Philippe, Breguet or Vacheron Constantin?

Osnabrueck · 11-21-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael

How is Rolex not on top? I mean, some argue that Rolex is essentially like MB. The name is the keeps them alive in times of hardship whether it be company issues or quality issues. All in all, I think the Rolex has been presistent in keeping their image and quality alive. What happened with the Submariner?

The first question requires a long answer, so I'll try to get back to that when I get off of work. In short - Rolex is a wildly successful, mass-produced, middle-class brand that many wrongly regard as the last word in watchmaking. Examples of brands that "sit above" Rolex include: Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantine, Lange & Sohne, Ulysse Nardin and Breguet - to name a few.

Second - about the Submariner. Rolex pretty much paved the road to the modern diving watch in the 50s. The Submariner has some very interesting stories attached to it, including the invention of the helium release valve and use by the Royal Navy.

If there's one Rolex I could have, it would be a vintage Sub. They run a pretty penny though.

Michael · 11-21-2006, 01:34 PM

Nevertheless, Osna if they paved so many roads with the Submariner, as I have understood from you posts, what is so wrong with them after all.

I retract my statement that they are the best. I don't know what I was thinking. Paneri is a favorite of mine that is incredible to say the least in my opinion.

Osnabrueck · 11-21-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael

Nevertheless, Osna if they paved so many roads with the Submariner, as I have understood from you posts, what is so wrong with them after all.

I retract my statement that they are the best. I don't know what I was thinking. Paneri is a favorite of mine that is incredible to say the least in my opinion.

Looks like we're in agreement then. Rolex really is an impressive company and has been instrumental in the development of the modern wrist-watch. My problem is that the exclusivity, craftsmanship and overall status of their watches is often misunderstood by the general public.

Panerai is a different story. I like the legacy of the brand, but really don't care for how its been managed since they were bought by the Vendome Group.

I would love to have a vintage Panerai diver. (Trivia - Panerai used Rolex movements)

Michael · 11-21-2006, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Osnabrueck

Looks like we're in agreement then. Rolex really is an impressive company and has been instrumental in the development of the modern wrist-watch. My problem is that the exclusivity, craftsmanship and overall status of their watches is often misunderstood by the general public.

Panerai is a different story. I like the legacy of the brand, but really don't care for how its been managed since they were bought by the Vendome Group.

I would love to have a vintage Panerai diver. (Trivia - Panerai used Rolex movements)

The Panerai that is used in After the Sunset with Pierce Brosnan is beautiful. I would love to have that watch, however, I don't think I can afford it, at least for a while. I have my eyes set on the Bond seamaster. I have had it set on that watch for the longest time.

Osnabrueck · 11-21-2006, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael

The Panerai that is used in After the Sunset with Pierce Brosnan is beautiful. I would love to have that watch, however, I don't think I can afford it, at least for a while. I have my eyes set on the Bond seamaster. I have had it set on that watch for the longest time.

Small wrists need not apply. Those Panerai's are massive (although certain models can be had in reduced size).

If you hover on Ebay long enough you could probably score the Seamaster you want for a totally reasonable price. I just saw a Planet Ocean Seamaster sell for a deep discount the other day.

Michael · 11-21-2006, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Osnabrueck

Small wrists need not apply. Those Panerai's are massive (although certain models can be had in reduced size).

If you hover on Ebay long enough you could probably score the Seamaster you want for a totally reasonable price. I just saw a Planet Ocean Seamaster sell for a deep discount the other day.

Could you share that price? The problem with Ebay is the legitmacy of brands.

NevadaJack · 11-21-2006, 03:53 PM

Well I have read this full thread...that Brietling is about the most beautiful watch I have ever seen. Michael said he didn't like to show what he has but I felt compelled to comment and show my watch.

Ever since my wife and I were married I wanted a Rolex but there was no way until 1990. My wife sold fine jewelry and we were in Hilton Head, SC. I was selling boats and got a commision of over $2500. The Shop where she worked was not a Rolex dealer but in talking with the owner over a beer one day, he mentioned he had a friend who handled Rolex's and he would see what he could do. About 3 months later he told my wife to tell Jack he had a watch for me. Betty Jo said take the commission and add to it and said "I want you to have it...you have earned it."

Well he asked what I wanted and I told him the DATEJUST in stainless and gold with the Jubilee bracelet. In about a week he called and said it was in. I was in heaven...when I asked what the tab was he said $2850! Even in 1990 that was a deal! I later added the diamond champaign dial. Today I think the retail on that watch is over $6K. It has never been overhauled, just some change of oil and cleaning every so often. It is one of my keepsakes and the most sentimental item I have.

So where this watch and it's owners fit in the market I have no idea. I do know that it is a treasure to me and is probably the most copied watch style ever. I don't wear it or show it to make a statement...I wear it because it keeps good time, looks nice and reminds me of someone special.

Michael · 11-21-2006, 04:06 PM

Jack I don't think I said I did not want to show the watch, however, if I did it may be because it is not mine but my fathers.

11-21-2006, 01:34 PM	#34 (permalink)
Michael Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 3,248 Thanks: 247 Thanked 340 Times in 205 Posts	Re: I just bought a Breitling Tourbillon. Nevertheless, Osna if they paved so many roads with the Submariner, as I have understood from you posts, what is so wrong with them after all. I retract my statement that they are the best. I don't know what I was thinking. Paneri is a favorite of mine that is incredible to say the least in my opinion.

11-21-2006, 03:53 PM	#39 (permalink)
NevadaJack Advocate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Las Vegas, NV USA Posts: 943 Thanks: 35 Thanked 112 Times in 58 Posts	Mercedes, Rolex and NevadaJack Well I have read this full thread...that Brietling is about the most beautiful watch I have ever seen. Michael said he didn't like to show what he has but I felt compelled to comment and show my watch. Ever since my wife and I were married I wanted a Rolex but there was no way until 1990. My wife sold fine jewelry and we were in Hilton Head, SC. I was selling boats and got a commision of over $2500. The Shop where she worked was not a Rolex dealer but in talking with the owner over a beer one day, he mentioned he had a friend who handled Rolex's and he would see what he could do. About 3 months later he told my wife to tell Jack he had a watch for me. Betty Jo said take the commission and add to it and said "I want you to have it...you have earned it." Well he asked what I wanted and I told him the DATEJUST in stainless and gold with the Jubilee bracelet. In about a week he called and said it was in. I was in heaven...when I asked what the tab was he said $2850! Even in 1990 that was a deal! I later added the diamond champaign dial. Today I think the retail on that watch is over $6K. It has never been overhauled, just some change of oil and cleaning every so often. It is one of my keepsakes and the most sentimental item I have. So where this watch and it's owners fit in the market I have no idea. I do know that it is a treasure to me and is probably the most copied watch style ever. I don't wear it or show it to make a statement...I wear it because it keeps good time, looks nice and reminds me of someone special.

11-21-2006, 04:06 PM	#40 (permalink)
Michael Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 3,248 Thanks: 247 Thanked 340 Times in 205 Posts	Re: Mercedes, Rolex and NevadaJack Jack I don't think I said I did not want to show the watch, however, if I did it may be because it is not mine but my fathers.

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