EVO: Mercedes - S65 AMG vs 450 SEL 6.9 - Page 2

cawimmer430 · 12-02-2006, 09:50 AM

As I am working on something else right now, I have not read the article yet, but I'll just verbally thank you now for this Bruce.

The W116 is my favorite S-Class ever. I just love everything about that car - and the 6.9 is a true legend. Personally, I'd want a 350SE or a 300SD Turbodiesel (we never got that car in Europe), but chalk me up for a 6.9 anytime (provided gas prices are low).

A good Mercedes-Benz salesman friend of mine had one of these as his daily driver in the late 1970s. He said that the 6.9 was the epitome of a sports sedan during that period. It was faster and handled better than some sports cars of the period. On the downside, it was extremely poor with fuel and when it rained, you had to refrain from doing kickdowns because the rear wheels would loose traction with all that torque and the extremely low gearing of the first gear on the 3-speed automatic transmission.

Beautiful car. Give me that over the S65 AMG for posterity's sake.

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Bruce · 12-02-2006, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cawimmer430

As I am working on something else right now, I have not read the article yet, but I'll just verbally thank you now for this Bruce.

You're welcome

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Originally Posted by cawimmer430

He said that the 6.9 was the epitome of a sports sedan during that period. It was faster and handled better than some sports cars of the period.

I believe this comment, and it did pretty well for a car this old on the Bedford Autodrome

1:43.20 - Mercedes-Benz 450 SEL 6.9
1:43.50 - Ford Focus MK2 1.6

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Nice link

Mikael · 12-02-2006, 09:59 AM

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True, but then again, after all the millions of miles of tests and what not I expected everything to be near perfection in the S, whether it is being tortured in the track or cruising in the autobahn.

Well, a car of this size (A8, 7er, S-Class) can never be an ultimate track car.

Just_me · 12-02-2006, 10:18 AM

I hate to go off-topic but came cross with this article, EVO testing M5 vs Gallardo. Both M5 and Gallardo have better times. Reason for that is probably becuase they dont have traction problem like the S65. 1000nm is twice as much as the M5, if the S65 had better grip it would do better 0-xxx times.
I think S65 is better for rolling starts than starts from standstill.

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But I also see the times for both m5 and Gallardo are lower than ususally.

dOmInIX · 12-02-2006, 12:58 PM

In the article they said later that day ESP system on S65 broke down...

cawimmer430 · 12-02-2006, 02:20 PM

Overall good review, but EVO just smells of "extreme sports" bias.

Just_me · 12-02-2006, 04:08 PM

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Overall good review, but EVO just smells of "extreme sports" bias.

nothing wrong with that, I like it. Not every carmag can be like AMS or Autobild

cawimmer430 · 12-04-2006, 12:20 PM

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nothing wrong with that, I like it. Not every carmag can be like AMS or Autobild

Auto Motor und Sport and Autobild are probably some of the least sports biased magazines. AMS pretty much rates cars on what they were designed to do - except sports cars. AMS is famous for complaining about the ride comfort of a Ferrari of BMW M3.

12-02-2006, 09:50 AM	#11 (permalink)
cawimmer430 Contributor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mühldorf am Inn, Germany Posts: 6,250 Thanks: 2,371 Thanked 1,739 Times in 830 Posts	Re: EVO: Mercedes - S65 AMG vs 450 SEL 6.9 As I am working on something else right now, I have not read the article yet, but I'll just verbally thank you now for this Bruce. The W116 is my favorite S-Class ever. I just love everything about that car - and the 6.9 is a true legend. Personally, I'd want a 350SE or a 300SD Turbodiesel (we never got that car in Europe), but chalk me up for a 6.9 anytime (provided gas prices are low). A good Mercedes-Benz salesman friend of mine had one of these as his daily driver in the late 1970s. He said that the 6.9 was the epitome of a sports sedan during that period. It was faster and handled better than some sports cars of the period. On the downside, it was extremely poor with fuel and when it rained, you had to refrain from doing kickdowns because the rear wheels would loose traction with all that torque and the extremely low gearing of the first gear on the 3-speed automatic transmission. Beautiful car. Give me that over the S65 AMG for posterity's sake. Check this out: - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER

12-02-2006, 10:18 AM	#14 (permalink)
Just_me Expert Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 12,612 Thanks: 741 Thanked 2,035 Times in 1,028 Posts	Re: EVO: Mercedes - S65 AMG vs 450 SEL 6.9 I hate to go off-topic but came cross with this article, EVO testing M5 vs Gallardo. Both M5 and Gallardo have better times. Reason for that is probably becuase they dont have traction problem like the S65. 1000nm is twice as much as the M5, if the S65 had better grip it would do better 0-xxx times. I think S65 is better for rolling starts than starts from standstill. - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER But I also see the times for both m5 and Gallardo are lower than ususally.

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dOmInIX Devotee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Croatia Posts: 2,660 My Mood: Thanks: 352 Thanked 388 Times in 217 Posts	Re: EVO: Mercedes - S65 AMG vs 450 SEL 6.9 In the article they said later that day ESP system on S65 broke down...

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cawimmer430 Contributor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mühldorf am Inn, Germany Posts: 6,250 Thanks: 2,371 Thanked 1,739 Times in 830 Posts	Re: EVO: Mercedes - S65 AMG vs 450 SEL 6.9 Overall good review, but EVO just smells of "extreme sports" bias.

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