Giannis

Since no one has said anything about this, then I guess it come to me to create a thread about it.

So here it is: The last days, I have been following the news, I try to watch the news on TV, I read the newspapers, I look for articles on the internet, I try to get informed. And what is all that about? The possibility of a war in Iran.

I guess most of us know that the American economy is mainly based on the war and oil industry and no one can deny this. With some “tricks” the American and the other oil producing countries have tried to make the price of oil reach the sky. It’s obvious.

On the other hand, we all know, more or less, what happened in Iraq, and most important why happened. And now it is Iran’s turn. Anyone who has been following the news lately has noticed that everyone focuses on Iran’s nuclear program and the fact that US wants to control it. We see the Americans in most of the cases to complain about the possibility of using Uranium for weapons of massive destruction, wanting Iran to stop the program.

And then it comes Iran, whose people and government do their best to support their right to use nuclear power for energy reasons, and tell people that no one gave the Americans the right to rule the world.

And it is now that I join the game with some questions. Let’s suppose that the reason behind all this staff is only the fear of a possibility of using nuclear power to make weapons, as stated earlier. Then, who gave the Americans the power, the right, the freedom to be the judge? Who let them decide about the plans of Iran? Who says that the Americans have the absolute power to make everyone “work” for them?

If this is true, if the original plans of the Iranian government are to use uranium to make weapons of massive destruction, under the coverage of some energy plants, then wouldn’t this be a multi-national’s organizations responsibility to find a solution to this problem? For example the European Union, or the (I don’t know how it’s called in English, but it is formed by representatives of the most powerful countries and its responsibilities have to do with anti-terrorism, peach, and staff, -not G8), or even NATO if everything else fails.

But is all this is just lies, pure BS, and behind this is the plans of the US government to make another war to support the economy, to play some more “games” with the oil’s price and thing that we, the simple people, can’t even dream about? Then you can’t even imagine the impact of such a war, and if this started with Iraq, goes on with Iran, then only God knows what will happen next. If this is true, then I guess the Americans won’t do the same mistake again. They won’t let the same think happen again. They could even use nuclear weapons.

Now, what are your thoughts on that? Can you please tell me your opinion and comment on the above facts? But please be civilized and for Christ’s sake, no personal attacks, please!

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notic

IMO there won't be a war in Iran in the near future. Americans are still having trouble withdrawing troops from Iraq and oil has already risen above the $75/barrel mark. The most we will see is probably sanctions and the threat of military action, but no war. A pre-emptive strike will trigger the al Quds organization (which has been reported to make al Qaeda seem tame). Something that I think, the Americans are not yet capable of dealing with.

Mohi

I don't see a war coming as Iran is not Iraq and the United States knows that.

Under the United Nations sanction, Iraq was striped down to it's bones. Every single detail was known about what they have and where it's at. They wanted to invade in-order to secure oil supply and have presence in the region.

Iran on the other hand is a very different kettle of fish. It has the largest army in the region, highly motivated (they total support the government on the nuclear issue) and is armed to the teeth. Keep in mind that the population of Iran stands at 70 million and 60% of that is below the age of 30.

If there is an attack, it will destabilize the region and America will come out of this with a bloody noise and many body bags. There will be no winners and everyone will pay for the United States lack of diplomacy and arrogance in this matter.

I therefore don't see this escalating to a war, but rather a war of words. I hope that both sides will come to their senses and resolve this peacefully.

Bozzor

A ground invasion of Iran is out of the question, but air strikes are pretty much certain. Ineterstingly, the Iranian army has distanced itself from the Head of the Revolutionary Guards statement that if the US attacks Iran, the first nation they will strike is Israel.

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Brig. Gen. Alireza Afshar probably realises that if Iran attacks Israel, he will probably have a military force that is 5-10% of its present size in about 24 hours...

The Artist

another dumb excuse by the americans to gain more cash and oil..thats how i see it.. they have lost in afghanistan..( that country is a land of outlaws and its always been that..many have tried to win it over and failed).. and they are loosing in iraq no matter what they say to the public..

if they go into iran they will suffer extremely.. iran is a very diffrent animal compared to afghan and iraq.. and iran has alot of influence in the muslim world.. a war like this can cause serious damage..even to us who belive that we are sitting ifront of our computers in a safe country..

PS
THE WORLD IS GOING MAD..

Michael

Really? How so? Could you please explain this and back it up with substantial and credible evidence.

“Tricks”? Um please Giannis once again could you please explain this?

The US regulates the gas in its country and that is why Americans complain when the price goes up because they do not experience true market value like Europe. But I don't understand what you mean by tricks. Could you please explain


Well Giannis I don't necessarily agree with the US government, but I do have the following to say. When there is a hegemon—like the US—it trys to control many things in the world because it is considered a unipolar world. Many scholars from Berkley, Yale, and the London School of Economics, agree that this is what the US is doing. It is attempting to control or 'manage' many things going on around the world.

Now you have the EU, which is a unified body of European countries. This unity will only give power to the EU as a sole entity and confront the US in the international Arena.

Oh and by the way, I have read reports that many European countries—even the newly elected PM from Italy, which I heard an interview the other day in which he says that Iran must be controlled and we have to make sure that the nuclear situation does not proceed any further. It seems, Giannis, that the PM from Italy is in favor of Iran not having nuclear capability.

You mean the UN? Um yea they are looking into that.



Giannis I am sorry but you have not provided anything but rhetoric. I am against any war that the US poses, but I am also against ignorant unfounded comments like the ones you have provided. Please do some research and then come back here and let us know what you find. But, don't make claims without having the proper knowledge to back it up.

Michael

agreed


Iran is a Persian country actually. They are more unified than the factioned Iraq. Of course it will be difficult to go into Iran for the very basic reason--their terrain.

Michael

I don't think anyone, not even the Americans, will ever be able to deal with Al qaeda or any terrorist organization. Al qaeda is won't be the first nor the last to come around and pose a threat. Because of the tools that Globalization has provided, terrorist groups are able to get their message across faster and more efficiently.

A terrorist organization like Al qaeda is not a entity like a country per se. It is a unique entity one that has to be delt with in very interesting ways.


A message to all that read this. Do not be fooled by my avater. I am not an American sheep that defends them. I have the plane beause I love aviation, and I am making that arguments, and statements, because I cannot stand people who don't support or make unfounded comments. Nothing against you Notic

Hypersonic

Giannis,

Most of what you said has very strong anti-American under-tones (which doesn't surprise me ....that would be the fashion these days) - but you do raise some interesting questions.

I don't think the Bush administration will take the US into Iran unless the UN says so first - it would be political suicide otherwise.

Of course the Iranian government wants nuclear weapons Iran believes that if it acquires nuclear weapons, the western world will be forced to "respect" their extremist Islamic state.

Why should Iran be prevented from acquiring nuclear weapons?

Put simply, because President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a terrorist. The Theocratic Islamic Republic of Iran is a terrorist state with a terrorist leader - it is a dangerous country, not only to the US and the west, but also to most of it's neighboring countries and especially to non-shi'a Muslims.

The Artist

well if this war brakes out.. i feel sorry for israel.. they are in a pretty bad position.. i think they will get hit hard..

PS
For those of you who know much about the judaism and sionism.. should know that the early sionism leaders predicted this future for a jewish state wich was not given by god but taken by man..
they also predicted the out come and the nature of the extreme antisemetism of the german ppl..

so i dont see a resolution to these terrorist probs anytime soon... everything went very wrong from the start.. and i dont know how it will be fixxed..maybe a third World War is a must.. ??

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