Giannis

Hey here i am. i have read almost every post on this topic. I know i have not replyed. But i am planning to reply soon. I'll make a nice writeup, these days. I just have been very busy lately. Too much work. Sorry

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Hypersonic

The Artist

well there are always bad examples.. but far from all muslim leaders support radicalism.. but ofcourse your right that we in the west doesent get any reports through our media that muslim groups protest against radicalism..

but that doesent mean it doesent happen..

Snake Vargas

Well, I don't mean to offend anyone, but IMHO there could be a couple of reasons why we don't hear condemnation, apart from the probably false but entirely logical one that they all actually do support the radical views in some way.

Firstly, if the radical views have some currency amongst the population, then any leader, democratically elected or otherwise, would be foolish to speak out against the thoughts of his (or her, though not very likely in Muslim leadership) people.

Secondly, I reckon that popularity has got to do with a continually reinforced us-vs.-them mentality. Any type of Islam, radical or liberal, is made out to be better than being overrun or being contaminated by the West's philosophies. The propaganda coming out of various Muslim leadership sources, and also not being helped by some propaganda coming out of the West, makes it like that.

There have been a few instances of people speaking out, here, but that really only happens when the media builds up pressure after a disaster like September 11th or, once, after an Australian worker of some sort was taken hostage. Or maybe that's just because the media only reports the contrary views of the leaders in those instances. Who knows.

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As for Iran, well, Islam doesn't have to have anything to do with it, really. The bottom line is, why on earth would you want to let someone who professes a desire to wipe out another country to get anywhere near nuclear capabilities? Whether it's for weapons or for energy, then the less they have to do with it, the better. Never mind about 'rights', if they have a 'right' to possess what they want, then you have as much 'right' to try and stop it.

However, it's always good to remember that, though you can choose your actions, you can't choose the consequences or the reactions of others.

Michael

I was going to start a new thread, but I guess I will go ahead and report this here since it seems to be covering the same subject matter.



Today, May 23, 2006, President Bush met with Israel's new Prime Minister. Bush stated:

"I told the prime minister what I've stated publicly before: Israel is a close friend and ally of the United States. And in the event of any attack on Israel, the United States will come to Israel's aid,"


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The Artist

Tell us something we dont know bush

PS
Congrats on your 1000th post Bmwfreak

Michael

Wow I didn't even notice. Thank you!

Hypersonic

What do you think about President Musharraf's siege of Lal Masjid? .......it seems the Pakistani Media were quite supportive of it.

The Artist

^ohh how should i put this in normal words..
IM so darn proud and happy that they killed off those bastards..
i just wonder why it took so long..
gotta love the way they did it though.. they went in with negotiation teams, they called upon religious leaders fron mecca to talk sence into the fools..
nothing worked.. even then they went in.. rescued ALL women and children ( even though many of the women wanted to stay.. and imo should have not been saved)
7 Pakistan Army Commandos lost their lifes.. its a tragedy.. these are one of the most skilled soldiers in the WORLD.. and a person dying in service is always so damn sad.. no matter where he comes from or what he fights for..

so to answer your question im proud and happy musharraf did this..
and at the mean time as a muslim im sad for the things these retarded ppl are doing to hurt my religion..

Hypersonic

The Islamic world is very interesting to me. It is extremely complicated .......I think Westerners are very confused about the realities of what is going on in the Muslim world. Some people will undoubtedly call Musharraf a terrorist and an American sympathizer -- but it is much more complicated than that.

Muslims are fighting back against these groups who have manipulated Islam to justify terrorism.

Religion and politics is not a good mix -- it is the thing that worries me most about President Bush: he brings his very conservative Southern Baptist Christianity to the Whitehouse. I am not against people with strong religious beliefs .....but they also need to respect the beliefs of others. Bush was very ignorant about the Arab Muslim world ........the Americans have learned some tough lessons since 911 -- they might be the most powerful country on Earth, but they have not been the wisest.

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