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Old 06-12-2007, 10:32 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: Alonso not 100% comfortable at McLaren

Alonso should stop talking, stop with the kamikaze start maneuvres and start winning more races and/or points for the WDC.

Really disgracefull.

He should have either veto Hamilton out like Senna, or demand second rates team mates who now their place like Schumacher.
If he didn't, it's his fault, no need blab about it.

How 'bout if he terminates his McLaren contract go back Renault ?!
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:30 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Re: Alonso not 100% comfortable at McLaren

His first lap maneuvers are really Montoya-esque. However, his kamikaze dives may tell more about his own confidence level at the moment. Maybe he knows that he does not have Hamilton's race pace and will be thoroughly embarrassed. Alonso would look far worse if he stayed in 2nd on the first lap and Hamilton opened up a 20-sec. to him. Now, Alonso only looks like a kamikaze. If he was demolished, he would just look embarrassingly slow.

There is no question in my mind that Mclaren favours Hamilton. He has been in the Mclaren family. He is British, as is Mclaren, many employees (presumably) and Vodafone. There are probably many other latent internal reasons we don't hear. Before some flamer accuses me of being pro-Alonso, most of you who post in the F1 section already know I dislike Alonso deeply. But Alonso does have a point. I think his idiocy is his driving and not necessarily what he said today.

Take a look at it without a racing/sporting/F1 perspective. Favoritism, bias or whatever you want to call it is a natural human emotion. Parents and grandparents, despite their insistence that they love their children equally, favor one over the other. Always! Within companies, school classrooms, political parties, there are always favorites and perennial doghouse prisoners! If someone tells you that he has no favoritism, he's a liar who is trying to be diplomatic.

Everyone plays favorites! Do your parents love you and your sibling equally? If you have two pets, are they both truly equal to you? Does your boss treat you and a colleague doing the same job equally and without favoritism? What is so surprising about alleged favoritism within an operation the size of a F1 team? Sure, Alonso is seen as a whiner, but is his point that outrageous? I don't think so. It's certainly no more outrageous than what he said last year about Renault not wanting him to take the title and the No. 1 to Mclaren. At first glance, I thought Alonso was stupid to talk about the alleged favoritism, but the more I look at it, the less unreasonable it becomes.
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Old 06-12-2007, 01:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: Alonso not 100% comfortable at McLaren

Yupp favoratism occurs everywhere around the globe and it's not unreasonable of Alonso to point it out, but my main problem is his timing. I find it really lame of him to bring it up two days after Hamilton wins his first GP. It is almost as if Alonso it using it as a excuse for not winning the race. I find it really wrong of him to do that especially since I respect him as a good driver.

Sure Hamilton is a son of Mclaren and Britain, meaning that is pretty natural that Mclaren cheers more when Hamilton stands on the podium. But I would find it absurd if Alonso doesn't get a much attention and care in the team. Mclaren signed him off Renault and are paying him an astronomical salary for crying out loud. I find it absurd that he would be mistreated or very noticabably receiving more attention than Hamilton.
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Re: Alonso not 100% comfortable at McLaren

I really didn't expect this, not from Alonso

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Old 06-12-2007, 02:09 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Alonso not 100% comfortable at McLaren

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His first lap maneuvers are really Montoya-esque. However, his kamikaze dives may tell more about his own confidence level at the moment. Maybe he knows that he does not have Hamilton's race pace and will be thoroughly embarrassed. Alonso would look far worse if he stayed in 2nd on the first lap and Hamilton opened up a 20-sec. to him. Now, Alonso only looks like a kamikaze. If he was demolished, he would just look embarrassingly slow.

There is no question in my mind that Mclaren favours Hamilton. He has been in the Mclaren family. He is British, as is Mclaren, many employees (presumably) and Vodafone. There are probably many other latent internal reasons we don't hear. Before some flamer accuses me of being pro-Alonso, most of you who post in the F1 section already know I dislike Alonso deeply. But Alonso does have a point. I think his idiocy is his driving and not necessarily what he said today.

Take a look at it without a racing/sporting/F1 perspective. Favoritism, bias or whatever you want to call it is a natural human emotion. Parents and grandparents, despite their insistence that they love their children equally, favor one over the other. Always! Within companies, school classrooms, political parties, there are always favorites and perennial doghouse prisoners! If someone tells you that he has no favoritism, he's a liar who is trying to be diplomatic.

Everyone plays favorites! Do your parents love you and your sibling equally? If you have two pets, are they both truly equal to you? Does your boss treat you and a colleague doing the same job equally and without favoritism? What is so surprising about alleged favoritism within an operation the size of a F1 team? Sure, Alonso is seen as a whiner, but is his point that outrageous? I don't think so. It's certainly no more outrageous than what he said last year about Renault not wanting him to take the title and the No. 1 to Mclaren. At first glance, I thought Alonso was stupid to talk about the alleged favoritism, but the more I look at it, the less unreasonable it becomes.

I sincerely doubt there would have been a 30 seconds gap. Alonso is still faster overall. He would have gotten pole had it not been for the "marble" problem in sector 3. But that's it, sh** happens.

After the first race, Alonso's family and friends decided to not watch F1 races at McLaren's motorhome because most of the team executives were looking forward for Alonso to make a mistake. Then I heard McLaren opened two TV rooms, one for Alonso and one for Hamilton.

But here's the catch, some actually like or need Alonso. Without him McLaren would go back to 2006. A car with potential, but no one to test and develope it.
The rookies Paffett and Hamilton don't have the knowledge and de la Rosa would be overburdened, like last year, and don't even mention Raikkonen or Montoya.
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Re: Alonso not 100% comfortable at McLaren

wow..he need to stop bitcin before we start hatin on his ass
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Old 06-12-2007, 02:29 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Alonso not 100% comfortable at McLaren

Damn artist, you must not know the McLaren way if you think you coulld get anywhere near him.
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^lol..we can hate from home..no probs
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Re: Alonso not 100% comfortable at McLaren

coulthard was british too but they didnt support him as much as they supported Hakkinen. now thats crazy thinking.
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Re: Alonso not 100% comfortable at McLaren

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What is so surprising about alleged favoritism within an operation the size of a F1 team?
Being fair and treat them both equally! That's how it should be! And here, it is like that, IMHO...

The only difference between Alonso and Hamilton is their salary, but in this case Alonso is getting a pretty bigger one, while Hamilton is getting nothing compared to Alonso. McLaren is investing the same amount in both of them, same number of engineers available, same equipment, improvements, testing costs, etc... So, their job is (and that goes mainly for Alonso) to:

- get your act together and stop whining!
- work hard, learn, know your best set-up!
- go to the track, concentrate and drive that ** car!

Regardless of being British in a British team, i don't think Hamilton's only one win could make Alonso say he's favorized by McLaren. And especially since he (Alonso) said that he understood it from the beginning! Lame, you moron, lame!

Could any of you guys agree with that statement? Was that so from the beginning?

He had beaten Alonso with his, consistency, concentration, focus and unquestionable talent, so everything what Alonso said in that interview is so pathetic and makes no sense that i'd like to b-slap him... Several times!

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