Obama phenomenon / fashion / hysteria? - Page 5

450SEL6.9 · 02-06-2008, 05:18 PM

Yup, I don't believe his "change" spiel either. I think it's unfortunate that more commentators are not asking what the foundation of his change message is.

Is there anything in his record that indicates his track record of changing things? How many in the divided Democratic party think he sells change largely because he is the first viable black candidate?

I think they better start asking and answering those questions soon if they want to stop the division and confusion. But knowing the Dems, they'll probably engage in the usual inter-party squabbling.

It's clear that Obama is in the lead. He has surged ahead of Clinton for the Intrade Prediction markets. He will win Louisiana, Nebraska, Washington State, Maine on the weekend. Then I think he wins DC, Virginia, Maryland. After seven wins in a row, he can compete and likely win Ohio, maybe Texas and almost certainly Pennsylvania.

Oh yeah, Hillary is lending her campaign $5 million of her own money! Who would have thunk it?

Harry Plopper · 02-09-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 450SEL6.9

Oh yeah, Hillary is lending her campaign $5 million of her own money! Who would have thunk it?

Yep, an act of the desperate.

Btw ...

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450SEL6.9 · 02-09-2008, 09:22 PM

Obama just swept three states. He could easily win Maine tomorrow and all the beltway states on Tuesday. I think he's setting up to knock out Hillary.

Right now it looks like President Obama. The Republicans don't seem willing to back McCain and he is likely to lose all three primaries today!

I read that article, EnI. I agree with the author that there is too much hype and hysteria. There is far too much at stake in this election for the mainstream media to present one-sided puff pieces. At this rate, even the Republican machine won't be able to do anything to question Obama's character and policies.

Harry Plopper · 02-11-2008, 10:27 AM

Noble prize winner (for literature) Doris Lessing said she feared Obama assassination. And she is not the only one. Wolf Blitzer (CNN) asked Ted Kennedy a while ago if he feared Obama would face same fate as JFK ...

Quote:

Nobel winner Lessing: Obama would be killed if elected
STOCKHOLM (AP) — Nobel Prize winner Doris Lessing believes Barack Obama would be assassinated if he were elected U.S. president, the British writer said in a newspaper interview.
Asked whether she supported Hillary Clinton or Obama in the presidential race, Lessing told Stockholm daily Dagens Nyheter "it doesn't matter," but suggested the two Democrats should join forces in the election.

"It would be best if they ran together. Hillary is a very sharp lady. It might be calmer if she wins and not Obama," Lessing was quoted as saying in comments translated into Swedish.
"He would probably not last long, a black man in the position of president. They would kill him," Lessing said in the interview published Saturday.

She did not specify who she believed would kill Obama.
Her agent in London did not answer phone calls seeking comment on Sunday.

Lessing, 88, who won the Nobel Prize for literature last year, is known for her fierce and sometimes contrary statements.
In October, she told a Spanish newspaper that the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were "neither as terrible nor as extraordinary" as many people think.

The Swedish Academy, which awards the Nobel Prize, praised the British writer for her "skepticism, fire and visionary power."

Interesting ... A few week ago I expressed the same concern to my colleagues at the office. Do you really think someone who is calling for a war against lobbies & corporations would leave those corporations & lobbies cold & passive. I don't think so ... I'm sure they will strike back in a very nasty way. I hope they won't perform the "terminal act".

He can only be save if nominating Edwards for VP. Because no corporation wants Edwards in Oval Office at all. Not even for a single day.

What do you think ... Is Obama - as a "reformist & uniter" realy such a threat to some groups (not the racist ones, but more to corporate world) they are capable to eliminate him? Hint: Syriana ....

Mikael · 02-11-2008, 11:05 AM

Nothing beats conspiracy theories...

450SEL6.9 · 02-12-2008, 09:02 PM

It's practically over! Obama sweeps and has won the last 8 states! Tonight he cut into all of Hillary's traditional support groups (women, lower income voters, rural, seniors).

In all likelihood, he will be the nominee and the next president. All he has to do is win Wisconsin on Tuesday (and he's looking good in that Liberal, student-heavy state). Forget Ohio and Texas suiting Hillary's demographics. Forget that Obama has cut into them all. If she loses Wisconsin, I think it is irrelevant whether she shows up in the later big states.

Choleric · 02-12-2008, 09:04 PM

^ Word.

Can't wait until 1.20.2009

450SEL6.9 · 02-12-2008, 09:13 PM

^ I think it'll be more of an error if the media, the Oprah-types and what I call the "Facebook Generation Liberals" get Obama into the White House by mindlessly trumping his change message.

I have paid attention to this election and still don't know what his brand of change his because he doesn't have a record of change. Even if the media starts asking what change is, come November it will be too late for any helpful debate. Even the formidable Republican general election machine will be rendered useless.

Choleric · 02-12-2008, 09:17 PM

We're going to have to wait and see.

He could be a modern FDR/JFK or the next Jimmy Carter. Sometimes you have to take a chance in life.

450SEL6.9 · 02-12-2008, 09:24 PM

^ I think the one that needs to take a chance is Hillary. African-Americans have abandoned her already. They're voting 9-to-1 against not just any candidate, but Mrs. Clinton!

Take the gloves off and hammer Obama on everything. Don't worry about alienating the African-American voters. They ain't coming back.

I think the Clintons must feel betrayed. Bill did so much for African-Americans and Latinos as president, but African-Americans have rejected her so badly in these recent primaries. She's losing the black vote 90% to 10%! I wonder if Bill now feels like he was nothing more than a placeholder.

The way that black suburban voters have ditched the Clintons can be alienating. I wouldn't be surprised if they are really feeling insulted. If the Clintons lose, their political careers are over. Do Dems want to vote to "retire" the Clintons in favor of an inexperienced guy who talks change? To me that is Hillary's only chance.

02-06-2008, 05:18 PM	#41 (permalink)
450SEL6.9 Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 825 My Mood: Thanks: 57 Thanked 60 Times in 54 Posts	Re: Obama phenomenon / fashion / hysteria? Yup, I don't believe his "change" spiel either. I think it's unfortunate that more commentators are not asking what the foundation of his change message is. Is there anything in his record that indicates his track record of changing things? How many in the divided Democratic party think he sells change largely because he is the first viable black candidate? I think they better start asking and answering those questions soon if they want to stop the division and confusion. But knowing the Dems, they'll probably engage in the usual inter-party squabbling. It's clear that Obama is in the lead. He has surged ahead of Clinton for the Intrade Prediction markets. He will win Louisiana, Nebraska, Washington State, Maine on the weekend. Then I think he wins DC, Virginia, Maryland. After seven wins in a row, he can compete and likely win Ohio, maybe Texas and almost certainly Pennsylvania. Oh yeah, Hillary is lending her campaign $5 million of her own money! Who would have thunk it?

02-09-2008, 09:22 PM	#43 (permalink)
450SEL6.9 Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 825 My Mood: Thanks: 57 Thanked 60 Times in 54 Posts	Re: Obama phenomenon / fashion / hysteria? Obama just swept three states. He could easily win Maine tomorrow and all the beltway states on Tuesday. I think he's setting up to knock out Hillary. Right now it looks like President Obama. The Republicans don't seem willing to back McCain and he is likely to lose all three primaries today! I read that article, EnI. I agree with the author that there is too much hype and hysteria. There is far too much at stake in this election for the mainstream media to present one-sided puff pieces. At this rate, even the Republican machine won't be able to do anything to question Obama's character and policies.

02-11-2008, 11:05 AM	#45 (permalink)
Mikael Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,860 Thanks: 785 Thanked 334 Times in 210 Posts	Re: Obama phenomenon / fashion / hysteria? Nothing beats conspiracy theories...

02-12-2008, 09:02 PM	#46 (permalink)
450SEL6.9 Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 825 My Mood: Thanks: 57 Thanked 60 Times in 54 Posts	Re: Obama phenomenon / fashion / hysteria? It's practically over! Obama sweeps and has won the last 8 states! Tonight he cut into all of Hillary's traditional support groups (women, lower income voters, rural, seniors). In all likelihood, he will be the nominee and the next president. All he has to do is win Wisconsin on Tuesday (and he's looking good in that Liberal, student-heavy state). Forget Ohio and Texas suiting Hillary's demographics. Forget that Obama has cut into them all. If she loses Wisconsin, I think it is irrelevant whether she shows up in the later big states.

02-12-2008, 09:04 PM	#47 (permalink)
Choleric Justice Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Great Plains Posts: 3,399 My Mood: Thanks: 564 Thanked 1,130 Times in 613 Posts	Re: Obama phenomenon / fashion / hysteria? ^ Word. Can't wait until 1.20.2009

02-12-2008, 09:13 PM	#48 (permalink)
450SEL6.9 Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 825 My Mood: Thanks: 57 Thanked 60 Times in 54 Posts	Re: Obama phenomenon / fashion / hysteria? ^ I think it'll be more of an error if the media, the Oprah-types and what I call the "Facebook Generation Liberals" get Obama into the White House by mindlessly trumping his change message. I have paid attention to this election and still don't know what his brand of change his because he doesn't have a record of change. Even if the media starts asking what change is, come November it will be too late for any helpful debate. Even the formidable Republican general election machine will be rendered useless.

02-12-2008, 09:17 PM	#49 (permalink)
Choleric Justice Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Great Plains Posts: 3,399 My Mood: Thanks: 564 Thanked 1,130 Times in 613 Posts	Re: Obama phenomenon / fashion / hysteria? We're going to have to wait and see. He could be a modern FDR/JFK or the next Jimmy Carter. Sometimes you have to take a chance in life.

02-12-2008, 09:24 PM	#50 (permalink)
450SEL6.9 Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 825 My Mood: Thanks: 57 Thanked 60 Times in 54 Posts	Re: Obama phenomenon / fashion / hysteria? ^ I think the one that needs to take a chance is Hillary. African-Americans have abandoned her already. They're voting 9-to-1 against not just any candidate, but Mrs. Clinton! Take the gloves off and hammer Obama on everything. Don't worry about alienating the African-American voters. They ain't coming back. I think the Clintons must feel betrayed. Bill did so much for African-Americans and Latinos as president, but African-Americans have rejected her so badly in these recent primaries. She's losing the black vote 90% to 10%! I wonder if Bill now feels like he was nothing more than a placeholder. The way that black suburban voters have ditched the Clintons can be alienating. I wouldn't be surprised if they are really feeling insulted. If the Clintons lose, their political careers are over. Do Dems want to vote to "retire" the Clintons in favor of an inexperienced guy who talks change? To me that is Hillary's only chance.

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