The Artist

Here is a link where the whole thing is translated to english..

Its very interesting to read.. its something new..
something else than death to america..

what do you guys think about his talk to the people of USA?

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Hypersonic

I think Osama Bin Ladin is extremely clever, a master manipulator. The strong anti-Bush feeling throughout the western world has played right into Bin Ladin's hands. His example of Sweden is also brilliant -- but essentially he is saying that if you don't stand up to me, I will not harm you -- lie down and do nothing like Sweden, Canada, New Zealand, etc., let us do what we want, and we will not attack you. I'm sure Hitler would have much preferred to be left alone to do what he wanted also.

Lets not forget that Bin Ladin was threatening the USA long before Bush came along with his "War On Terror" and the Iraq war -- something millions of Americans and other westerners seem to have forgotten.

The War on Terror will not end when Bush is out of office -- and neither will terrorist attacks in Western cities -- I guarantee that.

Also, Bin Ladin talks about Palestine and Lebanon -- he doesn't care about the people of these countries at all -- they are just a convenient excuse for him.

The Israeli's do not hate the Lebanese people, it is Hizbullah they have the problem with -- and that is an organization that would like impose ultra-conservative Shi'a beliefs throughout the Middle East without any debate or discussion -- too bad if you are Sunni.

But I must say, Bin Ladin makes the US look very ignorant -- he is a very clever man.

Mikael

Inspired by bin Laden's new video, President Bush gave us a speech that was a bit different from what we're used to hear from him :

The Artist

^if only.. he could never be that honest

PS
ohh bolidismo
Lie down like nothing? or being smart and not trying to play world police?
there is a diffrence
yes he was threatening the US long before.. but he explained where his hatred started..and that to was long before bush..
saying that he does not care about the ppl in the middle east..
is maybe right.. but nor does anyone else in the world..

but we can agree...that the dude is clever..haha

ohh and Observe.. im not trying to make bin laden look good..im just pointing out what he stated in his speach..

Hypersonic

I understand you Artist -- and let me be clear, I am not defending George Bush and the great mess he has been partly responsible for ....but it is too often overlooked that the vast majority of people dying in Iraq are being killed by Al Qaeda and its supporters, not the US and its allies -- they don't care who their victoms are: American soldiers, Sunnis, Shi'as, Christians .....anyone.

Michael

I think the new message from Bin Laden proves nothing and, to me, does not make a difference. I think what he did was wrong and his reasoning is flawed. I think that if he got the feeling you were the least bit from a western country he would kill you. I think Bin Laden could gain more crediblity if he was rationale and more in tune with proposing good deals rather than flawed ones.

I think this "War on Terror" is more propaganda than anything else. I think your assertion is incorrect. The "War on Terror" could end if we would approach situations around the world differently. I sitll believe in diplomacy, but the current administration has shown nothing but ignorance to the world and aggression. We need a new administration, whether it be Democrats or Republicans, to take a different stand with the world. To listen, talk, and agree and not argue, give ultimatems and declare war. I believe that people have flaws and some may never understand each other, but Bin Laden will continue to make videos and continue to grow his organization if we have an aggressive adminsitration such as the one we have. Remember, you can destroy thousands of people, but that never means that you have gotten rid of the thorn. On the contrary, you have created new ones because people do not have to be related to an action or crime you have committed to not like you. The US will have Iraq, and all the mistakes from it, for years to come.

Oh, and I think terrorists are nothing but a product of the US itself. We created them essentially. Betrayed them, befriended them and did pretty much about everything to assist them at times. Does this mean it was right what they did, have done, and plan on doing? Absolutely not. I don't agree with killing people nor declaring war on someone. We should be able to talk things out. Unfortunately the Islamic fundamentalist give a really bad name to the Islamic religion, hence why so many ignorant Americans associate Islam with terrorism. Just a shame...

Hypersonic

Under normal circumstances I would totally agree ...but we are not dealing with reasonable people here Mike. Al Qaeda is committed to the destruction of Western civilization and "The Great Satin", the United States -- they have been extrememly clear about this many times. They want the Muslim world to be governed under strict sharia law -- much like that imposed by the Taliban in Afghanistan -- in short, hell on earth for the vast majority of ordinary Muslims.

This is only partly true. In essence, Al Qaeda was formed from several of the groups supported by the United States and the Soviet Union during the Cold War. I think Americans need to stop self-loathing and start understanding this history in context.

The Artist

Really??
that surprises me..
do you really get that impression of him..
that he would just kill you cause you are from a western country
and no more reason ..??

Michael

You know, I stand corrected then or at least with a slightly different view now. You brought up a good point. They do stand for that, and that is something that is extremely radical.

Centurion

Wow what a speech! Probably the most positive events which have happened in the ages of this terror vs USA dispute. Very interesting and good points brought up in this thread.

IMO this is like a 50 years old family feud between two Italian families. Violence will not end this war, violence will only feed to the anger and rage.

Essentially this isn't about terrorists or the western world, but about people and their wrong doings. In this case both parties are equally as guilty. The only solution is to sit down, discuss, negotiate, forgive, forget and move on.

This message by Usama is definitely a BIG step in the right direction. The ball is really in Bush's hands now. Will he act like a humble human or will be act like a patriotic American president?