Hypersonic

Do Muslims take everything in the Koran literally? I mean, there are things written in it which do talk about punishing infidels. If every Christians took everything written in the Bible literally, then there would only be about three people in heaven -- as virtually everyone is a sinner according to the texts.

Many have been murdered in history in the name of Christianity. I think of King Henry VIII, Bloody Mary, and Queen Elizabeth I, and the many thousands of Catholics they had killed for not converting to protestantism.

Artist, it is interesting that you have such a problem with Al Qaeda, as there were many in the Muslim world who celebrated when the twin towers collapsed on September 11, 2001. I remember seeing images of people rejoicing in the streets of Cairo and Islamabad -- these people were not extremists or terrorists ...but they still were extremely happy to see infidel America being punished -- something that Muslim leaders do not publicly acknowledge. Instead, we are told that Muslims were shocked and outraged by 911 -- I am not entirely convinced of that ...I think many Muslims were excited by it.

Since 911, "Osama" has become one of the most popular names for male babies born in the Arab world -- there is a lot more support for Al Qaeda among ordinary Muslims than the west is led to believe.

The great irony is Osama Bin Laden is really a product of the ultra-conservative teachings of Wahhabi Islam, which is the dominant religion of Saudi Arabia -- and as we know, Saudi Arabia is supposedly a good friend of the United States.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran talks about a "clash of civilizations" and believes Iran will lead the Muslim world in a holy war against the "infidel" West. In September 2005, Ahmadinejad, claimed he was surrounded by a divine light as he delivered his speech to the United Nations General Assembly -- he deeply believes he has been given a divine duty to fight the infidel west. It is obvious that Ahmadinejad sees himself as some kind of prophet ....or holy warrior chosen by Allah.

The Artist

yes muslims are supposed to take the koran literally.. but do they?
and can they? i do not think so..

the celebrations to a horrific incident will always be there..
for example extremist amercian christian celebrated when many swedes died in the tsunami.. they said it was due to the fact that sweden has alot of tollerance towards homosexualls ( meaning that case on pastor Ake Green, where he was on trial for preeching agains homosexualls.. first ever trial of its kind in the wold i belive)
So there will always be some nutters out there celebrating the most twisted things..
But when you honestly say that you belive that MANY muslims were excited by it..
well i dont know what to say.. should i be pissed at you?
or pissed at the terrorists?
the media.. ?
well i dont know..

Saudi is not a good friend of america..
America has lets say 10 friends.. 8 out of them are friends cause its economically gaining for them.. and 1 is cause they are afraid..
so ...

I dont know what irans president thinks of himself
but if he belives his a prophet, then he IS NOT A MUSLIM..
aint no muslim in the world that belives that they are a prophet..
our belife kind of bases on the fact that mohammed is the LAST prophet..

so no muslim in their right mind would think that way..

PS
But it can be discussed if Mr. Ahmadinejad is in the right state of mind..haha

PPS
Still he is imo atleast on a same horrific state of mind as Mr Bush..

Hypersonic

Don't misunderstand me Artist, I know many Muslims are wanting only peace. I honestly didn't mean to be offensive to you or Islam.

The Artist

^no probs..i explained in the PM.. lets continue discussing..
i enjoy this