2009 7 series

Deutsch · 11-05-2005, 05:48 PM

The next incarnation of the 7 series is due in just 3 years... hard to believe.

BMW_Dude · 11-05-2005, 05:51 PM

Really, I can remember when the E65 7er came out, it doesn't seem that long ago!

I hope the new 7 will move technolgy and designs on just as the E65 did!

I will hopefully be an awesome car!

Deutsch · 11-05-2005, 06:06 PM

I'm more interested to see how it looks. BMW is a believer in useful tech, not piling on tech to make a point or showing that they're the best in the industry, they prove their best when you take a seat behind the steering wheel and drive. Not that you didn't know that, but just adding.

Centurion · 11-05-2005, 06:17 PM

It's not that suprising. The current 7er came 2001-2002 so if a new one comes out in three years(2008) then the current one will have lived for 6-7 years which is pretty normal lifespan.

Deutsch · 11-05-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Luwalira

It's not that suprising. The current 7er came 2001-2002 so if a new one comes out in three years(2008) then the current one will have lived for 6-7 years which is pretty normal lifespan.

Right, but it's just funny to sit back and look at how fast the time has gone by since the introduction of the E65/66, really wasn't all that long ago, and the design still looks very fresh, probably still will by the time the new 7 gets here(E67/68?). Gotta love growing up w/ the times.

Mr. Mercedes · 11-05-2005, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuttgarter

I'm more interested to see how it looks. BMW is a believer in useful tech, not piling on tech to make a point or showing that they're the best in the industry, they prove their best when you take a seat behind the steering wheel and drive. Not that you didn't know that, but just adding.

That’s arguable Stuttgarter, elements of the 7-series design actually made the car more difficult to use, and was a major complaint when the car was introduced. For example In some markets they even had little booklets directing valets on how to start the car and drive off. Something once so simple was made more difficult. Sure users would get used to it, but why make it more complicated in the first place. The controls for the seating etc. also seem unnecessarily complicated. I would argue that in terms of the useful application of driver assistance technology, Mercedes is a little ahead.

Another example I noticed is when I was driving my aunts 3 series. The parking sensors have to be activated every time after a certain speed is exceeded and the automatic wipers reactivated each time you use the car. A bit counterproductive I think, when the whole point of these technologies is to meant to make life simpler.

Harry Plopper · 11-05-2005, 08:05 PM

Next 7er is coded as F01 (SWB) and F01 (LWB). Yes, BMW is starting labeling new models in development with "F" codes. X6 will be the last one wearing "E" code (E7?).

Here are some news from scott26 about next 7er:

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3 INTO 7 DOES GO
Challenging , awkward , incoherent or just plain ugly are some of the attributes that BMW have endured in their challenging " car from another star " E65/E66 7er . while the term alien surrounded it's identity when it was introduced.

it's radicality did not sit right in a wholly conservative segment and market.
with the dawn of the rise of wealth in Asia . The 7er rose to the challenge and found it's bearing in a developing market appealing to prospectors in technolgical areas such as computing and electronics who identified with the cars - reported complex controls.

As the competition saw BMW take huge share of Asian markets whilst other contenders were not so successful - A move apparently that can be seen in the new mercedes-S-Klasse - Radicality , technologically advanced and a new interpretation of a driver interface shows that mercedes are square set on challenging one of the major markets for luxury cars
and the reputation of the BMW 7er in Asia.

Whilst the facelifted 7er introduced earlier this year has seen a european pick of sales , The 7er is not the doom prospect that everyone was predicting. It is the most successful 7er to date and has introduced younger customers to this segment than normally a luxury car of this magnatude appeals to.

when the next 7er appears in early 2009. This this will be the most challenging 7er yet. As well as a regular luxury sedan , a longer wheelbase car will feature different styling - look more elegant , luxurious as the standard model will take a more sporting approach . A third spin off will be a low slung 4 dr coupe which could take suicide doors and a 9 or 8 series badge.

In design the radical approach is very much in element - snake like eyes surround a widened twin kidney grille . The whole rear end of the car lifts up with the trunk lid now part of the rear wings - a strong shoulder line connects the mid section of the body and the rear lights wrap onto the bootlid. The LWB features larger shaped front lights and a long light strip along the rear trunk lid. Engines will start from new V8 including twin turbo , petrol and diesel , a new twin turbo V12 and next generation top line diesel engine , hydrogen power will also be available from the start of production.

And then finally Because of the proposals of using lightweight efficiency the 7er will be engineered to be lighter than it's previous incarnations. The new 7er will also commit platform modules that will be shared with the new small Rolls-Royce.

With the advance to make the 7er more lighter the next generation car will eventually herald the arrival of an M7.

Deutsch · 11-05-2005, 08:11 PM

Sounds like it will be even more good to look at from Scotts' description, I'd most definately put some money towards an M7 for sure, no doubt. It's also interesting to hear about the design differentiation between the logn and short wheel base models, I dont know that I like this concept. But who knows? Scott26 may be right on the money? Another really cool big I'm finding in BMW news/rumors is the use of turbocharged technology in it's cars, ultra exciting to hear. Can't get enough of that low end torque.

bmwownage · 11-06-2005, 05:02 AM

I wonder how the guy knows so much... it sounds like as if he has seen the actual car while designs are probably not even finalised!

I dont' think BMW will match the new S, the new S is just too special, it is just too good and BMW will not be able to make a product to challenge it properly... this fact is the same as how MB never made a product to challenge the 3series properly...
A 2009 release sounds fine since a 7-8 years lifespan is OK..

Harry Plopper · 11-06-2005, 07:48 AM

I guess new 7er will be better than W221 S-class. It will be lighter due extensive use of light weight materials, interior materials quality will be further improved, it will come with extra powerful turbo engines, enhanched gearbox, modern design, latest hi-tech features, much improved iDrive.

Taking different styling and also engineering directions for SWB and LWB will allow BMW to make SWB much more sportier than S-class and A8, and the LWB much more comfortable and luxurious.

But again, when next generation of A8 will come out, it will beat both, 7er and S-class. It's just a characteristic of techincal progress.
3er segment is another story, because it's more diffucult to reacha perfect balance between sportiness, comfort ride, space, etc.

About Scott26: the guy has an access to many internal BMW information. Therefore I suspect he works either in a marketing or PR department.

But you should mind the info he dispetches to us are not official press material, but working material - and so an object to change.

I guess BMW have issued an internal paper "Project F01 / 02" where some design proposals are illustrated, engineering goals, marketing goals are listed, etc.

New car development is a dynamic proces - where difficulties may occure: of engineering, design, legislation, marketing, financial nature. An issue have to be addressed quickly, and changes have to be made.

It's 2-3 years too early to know how exactly new 7er will look like, and what it will feature. But again, Scott26's info give us an idea what BMW is aming to.

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Deutsch Aficionado Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: L.A. Posts: 5,362 Thanks: 301 Thanked 468 Times in 240 Posts	Re: Believe it.... I'm more interested to see how it looks. BMW is a believer in useful tech, not piling on tech to make a point or showing that they're the best in the industry, they prove their best when you take a seat behind the steering wheel and drive. Not that you didn't know that, but just adding.

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Centurion Trendsetter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,075 Thanks: 595 Thanked 724 Times in 422 Posts	Re: Believe it.... It's not that suprising. The current 7er came 2001-2002 so if a new one comes out in three years(2008) then the current one will have lived for 6-7 years which is pretty normal lifespan.

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Deutsch Aficionado Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: L.A. Posts: 5,362 Thanks: 301 Thanked 468 Times in 240 Posts	Re: Believe it.... Sounds like it will be even more good to look at from Scotts' description, I'd most definately put some money towards an M7 for sure, no doubt. It's also interesting to hear about the design differentiation between the logn and short wheel base models, I dont know that I like this concept. But who knows? Scott26 may be right on the money? Another really cool big I'm finding in BMW news/rumors is the use of turbocharged technology in it's cars, ultra exciting to hear. Can't get enough of that low end torque. Last edited by Deutsch; 11-21-2005 at 09:45 PM..

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bmwownage Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 147 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Believe it.... I wonder how the guy knows so much... it sounds like as if he has seen the actual car while designs are probably not even finalised! I dont' think BMW will match the new S, the new S is just too special, it is just too good and BMW will not be able to make a product to challenge it properly... this fact is the same as how MB never made a product to challenge the 3series properly... A 2009 release sounds fine since a 7-8 years lifespan is OK..

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Harry Plopper Oinky Wizard Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,775 My Mood: Thanks: 76 Thanked 921 Times in 479 Posts	Re: Believe it.... I guess new 7er will be better than W221 S-class. It will be lighter due extensive use of light weight materials, interior materials quality will be further improved, it will come with extra powerful turbo engines, enhanched gearbox, modern design, latest hi-tech features, much improved iDrive. Taking different styling and also engineering directions for SWB and LWB will allow BMW to make SWB much more sportier than S-class and A8, and the LWB much more comfortable and luxurious. But again, when next generation of A8 will come out, it will beat both, 7er and S-class. It's just a characteristic of techincal progress. 3er segment is another story, because it's more diffucult to reacha perfect balance between sportiness, comfort ride, space, etc. About Scott26: the guy has an access to many internal BMW information. Therefore I suspect he works either in a marketing or PR department. But you should mind the info he dispetches to us are not official press material, but working material - and so an object to change. I guess BMW have issued an internal paper "Project F01 / 02" where some design proposals are illustrated, engineering goals, marketing goals are listed, etc. New car development is a dynamic proces - where difficulties may occure: of engineering, design, legislation, marketing, financial nature. An issue have to be addressed quickly, and changes have to be made. It's 2-3 years too early to know how exactly new 7er will look like, and what it will feature. But again, Scott26's info give us an idea what BMW is aming to. Last edited by Harry Plopper; 11-06-2005 at 07:51 AM..

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