YoungWarrior

bmw taking copying turbo power and 4wd.

What is audi taking of BMW? Dont say NA cause there are loads of manufacturers using that philosophy that compete with BMW's, whilst not many use turbos that compete with the german premium cars.

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Harry Plopper

BMW going turbo has nothing to do with Audi. Neither does Direct Injection. Those are technologies (along with Dual Clutch Transmission) which leads to lower fuel consumption paired with good performance. And most car makers go with this trend.

Audi was just the first brand which massively used these solutions in their model line - due their philosophy: Vorsprung durch Technik. Meaning they always strive to be first using upcoming technology (eg MMI, LED headlights etc). But that does not mean other car makers are not testing same tech & planning to use it.

Mind that most tech comes from cooperation with eg. Bosch, Siemens VDO, ZF, Getrag, Hella etc, so basicly its not something exclusive to Audi.

It's only about marketing: when to introduce the tech, striving to be a pioneer. Eg. BMW introduced iDrive concept few months before Audi, but that doesn't mean Audi copied BMW - since several similar system by different car makers were in development at the same time.

BMW goes with AWD more aggressively since demand for AWD in certain markets was so high & so determined that customers went to Audi since BMW did not have AWD models available. They just followed market's demand, not doing it due Audi per se.

I laugh at such claims as yours - because they are so naive & ignorant (mostly coming from very young people): saying that carmaker B that introduced a feature few month after carmaker A did it, did that due to follow / copy carmaker A's success. You should mind that some features (eg. engines) have very long development time. So - it is even possible that carmaker B started with the development before carmaker A did it. But I'm sure they both started development without a knowledge what a competition was developing.

So, why we then get similar / same tech (or even design) from different carmakers? Because of similar results from market / consumer / trend researches carmakers do!

Companies are not copying each other (unless we talk about Chinese carmakers ), but just following the market demands & wishes. With using the tech that is available at a certain time (relatively cheap & widely available).

YoungWarrior

But companies do copy each other 24/7 as thats a key element of becomign and staying succesful. Audi has had 4wd for decades now. Bmw used to say they will always remain RWD. They havent lived up to that promise. BMW always used to rave on about being NA. They havent stuck with that either (yes I know about the 2002ti).

Plus according to a member here a BMW engineer specifically said that BMW saw the success that audi were having with their turbo engines and wanted a slice of the pie. They then developed the great *35i engine as they wanted to do one over audi as noone was expecting it, and they suceeded with that. They are now making a great host of other turbo engines after they always insisted about staying NA an how great and wonderful it is.

4wd is admitedly arguable, but turno isnt when we have heard what the bmw engineer said.

Harry Plopper

What BMW engineer???? I have no idea what are you talking about ...
N54 engine was developed to offer extrordinary performance & relatively low fuel consumption - because market wants that. Not due Audi made some models with turbo engines. Btw, maybe BMW was "copying" Toyota, or Porsche, or Mazda - or any other carmaker that uses / used turbo engines. It's not all about Audi. Can you see now that your claims are ridiculous.

Also sticking to same technology is even not possible due to constant technological development. Eg. Quattro is also no longer 50:50 torque distribution setting (what was once advertised by Audi as "perfect"), but lately Audi is adopting rear biased 40:60 distribution (eg BMW in the ver 2.0 xDrive used before Audi did it - so is Audi copying BMW??? ).

BMW are still RWD (and also offer AWD models - due market demand, not due copying Audi), so are Audis still FWDs & AWDs.

BMW still stick with NA engines - but also introducing new tech: turbo. Why not sticking to NA only? Because they are not a boutique car maker, and they need to follow market demand who is demanding performance with LOWER fuel consumption. And turbo allows that. Also environmental regulation is responsible for turbos: sticking to big displacement NA would mean not meeting fuel consumption standards - which could leading to fines or even sales ban.

No matter how much you love Audi: do not flatter them too much.

"Copying" is there due market demand! Eg. BMW started to offer turbos & AWD due market demand lately - because they were "forced" to do it. Of course they were able to offer such tech before, but the didn't. So if they wanted to copy Audi, MB etc they could do it before. But right now the trend is in favour of AWD, turbos etc and carmaker just adapt to reality. Same is happening with eg. Hybrids. Or iDrive like systems.

When trends turn, "copying" also turns around - and "copiers" become "the copied".

Ultimate Car Guy

I really don't see anything wrong with "copying" or for a company to release their own interpretation of another company's innovation. It pushes the boundaries of innovation and striving for the best.

If a company didn't want their idea to be copied, then they just had to file a patent.

This notion Young Worrior has that BMW is copying Audi is getting very immature and silly. I wish we could move on and stick with the topic of this thread.

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Scott

Great news if they make an M version of the 2er coupe That s really a car that M needs. To get back the times of the E30 M3.

Just_me

your claims that bmw copyied the 2.0T engine is ridicolous. If bmw copy someone its was impreza with 2.0 turbo and EVO 2.0 turbo, not Audi The japanese cars are great cars, we europeans have a lot to learn.

YoungWarrior

lol you do know that the impreza 2.0 turbo isnt refined, and if you use low RON fuel they have a tedancy to go pop! Oh and they have big turbo lag, I dont think bmw is trying to make a engine to compete with them at all. Completely different aims.

Just_me

of course they were but BMW obvioulsy refined their engine compared to the japanese cars

anyway, now its time to stay on-topic, this is a 135i thread and not audi vs bmw. From now on every post is about audi will be deleted before this thread goes wasted. We have had our fun and its time to move on.

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