Spied: BMW 1-Series coupe, part 2 (fully exposed 135i!) - Page 13

AdvEvo · 06-27-2007, 02:05 PM

I wil post pics but my race suspension is gone for a yearly checkup. A standard m sport sits to high on it s feet and because of that the car doesn t look as nice.

The pics must perfect and brutal

I also race in holland 130i cup this was my first outing with the race car. This is a nice pic

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atuv · 06-27-2007, 02:20 PM

Wow 13 pages already looks like i missed all the fun anyway that rear is hideous,disaster OMG the ugliest german rear ever even more than the 6er IMHO damn looks like a damn kia rio or something...utterly disappointed

Osnabrueck · 06-27-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imhotep Evil

(Regarding the cost of the 1er Coupe and BMW's in general)

Uhm let's see ...
Safety + enviromental parts = a lot of extra costs.

As for a smart buy, it depends ... it's relative.

The german mark actually became strong when the 2002 was made, and BMW thought of killing it.

Even more, some countries had punitive import taxes, such that the 2002 was put up, on a price base, against bigger more upscale cars.

In the USA, the 2002 was a bargain, but ... in the UK, initially, it felt like a rip off.
Because for the same money you could have bought a Rover 2000 TC or a Triumph 2500 PI, both bigger and more upscale cars. So unless you liked the superior driving dynamics of the BMW, you had no reason to buy it.

So the cost was always relative to the taxation policies as it is today.
Expect monstrous prices in Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Singapore, Egypt.

Here's the thing Imhotep. The market price of goods has nothing to do with production costs. It determined by the meeting of buyers and sellers. Because BMW is the fashionable automotive brand du jour they command higher profit margins than any of their competitors.

There's a big difference between paying for a high-quality product, and paying for a name. BMW is stubbornly tipping the scales in the direction of vanity pricing right now simply because they can.

I still might like the 1er, but I can tell you right now that the pricing structure of the car will be no different than what we have currently with the 130i. A compelling drive that is so damn expensive that you have to stop and wonder why you wouldn't just step up to a 3er.

But I'm just bitching, aren't I? If I was BMW I'd keep 'em expensive too.

Nikos120i · 06-27-2007, 03:20 PM

Well...high prices can sometimes filter good from bad BMW-drivers-to-be. Also if you have noticed...rarely BMW gives various sales incentives such as 0% APR, at least in Greece. The lowest a dealer has gone is 5% APR, but usually it is 8.5%.

manulind · 06-27-2007, 03:34 PM

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Osnabrueck · 06-27-2007, 03:50 PM

__________________________________________________ _______________
Model-PowerHpTorqueNm-Zero - 62 mphSeconds-Top SpeedMphCombinedMpg

BMW 120d Coupé 177 350 7.6 141 58.9
BMW 123d Coupé 204 400 7.0 148 54.3
BMW 135i Coupé 306 400 5.3 155* 30.7
__________________________________________________ _______________

Ok - the sprint time of the 135i is being quoted as 5.3 from BMW UK. This must be conservative. Any thoughts?

The Artist · 06-27-2007, 03:54 PM

gotta say..no matter what it looks..if it gets the full blown 35 engine..
it will be freakin BLAST to drive..

Nikos120i · 06-27-2007, 03:56 PM

OMG...is the official press release on its way...or it has been released and we don't know it yet???

Read...

"The new BMW 1 Series Coupé
27/06/2007

BMW is extending the 1 Series line-up in the UK with a new model consisting of a brace of high performance twin-turbocharged engines and a diesel capable of a frugal 58.9mpg. The new BMW 1 Series Coupé goes on sale in the UK in November and will be available in 120d, 123d and 135i guises. The 135i marks the first time a twin-turbo petrol engine has powered a 1 Series, while the launch of the 123d heralds the introduction of the world’s most powerful production four-cylinder diesel engine.

The flagship of the range is the BMW 135i with its 3.0-litre twin-turbocharged petrol powerplant. Offering 306hp from its light alloy and magnesium straight-six engine, the 135i is capable of accelerating from zero to 62mph in 5.3 seconds before going on to an electronically-limited top speed of 155mph. Peak torque of 400Nm from just 1,300rpm through to 5,000rpm ensures smooth yet rapid progress and in-gear flexibility.

Courtesy of High Precision Direct Injection for the most efficient burn of fuel mix and Bi-VANOS variable valve technology combined with lightweight engineering principles, the BMW 135i is capable of frugal motoring while maintaining its top end performance. The 2,979cc engine posts a 30.7mpg figure on the combined cycle and a CO2 emissions figure of 220g/km. BMW’s EfficientDynamics programme seeks to boost engine performance while at the same time cut fuel consumption and emissions. Second generation High Precision Direct Injection and Brake Energy Regeneration are both elements of EfficientDynamics deployed on the 135i Coupé.

Frugal yet sporting
The BMW 135i is joined in the range by another twin-turbocharged model to offer a unique blend of performance and economical motoring. The 204hp four-cylinder engine in the BMW 123d Coupé sets a benchmark for small diesels. Its 1,995cc powerplant is the world’s first all aluminium diesel to have an output per litre figure in excess of 100hp – something only BMW M cars usually attain. It is also the first four-cylinder production diesel to come with twin-turbo technology. Peak torque is 400Nm from 2,000rpm, while the engine revs to in excess of 4,400rpm where peak power is attained. This performance equates to a zero to 62mph time of 7.0 seconds and a top speed of 148mph – previously unheard of figures in such small capacity production diesels. By comparison the output of the four-cylinder BMW 123d betters that of established six-cylinder diesel engines from both Audi and Mercedes.

The BMW 123d Coupé also makes financial sense. Its 138g/km emissions figure sees it fall into the Band C Vehicle Excise Duty tier while the fuel consumption figure on the combined cycle is 54.3mpg. It is aided in this by the use of elements from BMW’s renowned EfficientDynamics programme. The 123d comes with Auto Start-Stop technology, Brake Energy Regeneration, third-generation common-rail fuel injection, a diesel particulate filter, active aerodynamics, Electric Power Steering and low rolling resistance tyres.
For customers seeking an entry point into the new 1 Series Coupé range, the 120d offers another option of style, driving dynamics and parsimonious motoring. Its 1,995cc four-cylinder engine mixes a 177hp output and a zero to 62mph time of 7.6 seconds with 58.8mpg economy and emissions of just 128g/km. The same EfficientDynamics technologies used on the 123d are also deployed on the 120d.

Dynamic capability
Like every BMW before it, except xDrive models, the new BMW 1 Series Coupé has 50:50 weight distribution and a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive configuration for the best in driving dynamics. To offer the most compliant yet sporting ride and the best in directional stability, the 1 Series Coupé has a double-joint spring strut front axle arrangement with a five-link rear suspension. Such an arrangement allows engineers greater scope in fine tuning the ride characteristics of the car.

Dynamic Stability Control is standard on the 120d Coupé to act as an electronic safety blanket for the driver. Dynamic Traction Control is a further function of DSC that permits a greater degree of wheelslip for more spirited driving. The BMW 123d and the 135i come as standard with Dynamic Stability Control+ with its five additional safety features of Soft Stop, Hill start assistant, Brake Drying, Brake pre-tensioning and Brake fade compensation. In addition to this the 135i Coupé has a high performance braking system featuring six-piston callipers for greater retardation.

Design
The BMW 1 Series Coupé uses the same architecture as the three- and five-door models, but is shrouded in an elongated coupé body to emphasise the sporting nature of the car. The 1 Series Coupé is 4,360mm long (133mm more than other 1 Series) and 1,934mm wide (1mm more). The slight increase in body size means the boot space swells from 350-litres to 370-litres. A standard 60:40 rear seat split permits greater load flexibility allowing for items to be stored in place of one or both rear seat occupants.

The BMW 120d Coupé will be available in ES, SE and M Sport guises, while the 123d Coupé will be offered in SE and M Sport and the 135i Coupé just as an M Sport. M Sport raises the specification bar by including 17-inch light alloy wheels on the 120d and 123d Coupé but unique 18-inch light alloy wheels on the 135i Coupé, M Aerodynamic package, M Sports suspension, Sports seats, High-gloss Shadowline exterior trim, M leather steering wheel, M designation door sills and Anthracite headlining.

Prices for all three models will be announced closer to the on sale date.

Model

Power
Hp
Torque
Nm
Zero - 62 mph
Seconds
Top Speed
Mph
Combined
Mpg
BMW 120d Coupé 177 350 7.6 141 58.9 BMW 123d Coupé 204 400 7.0 148 54.3 BMW 135i Coupé 306 400 5.3 155* 30.7

* Electronically-limited

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Sunny · 06-27-2007, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osnabrueck

I still might like the 1er, but I can tell you right now that the pricing structure of the car will be no different than what we have currently with the 130i. A compelling drive that is so damn expensive that you have to stop and wonder why you wouldn't just step up to a 3er.

But I'm just bitching, aren't I? If I was BMW I'd keep 'em expensive too.

How is a 300hp car for around $35K bad value - show me another car from an European manufacturer that comes close? Yup, the image conscious people will just get a 328 coupe but I can imagine where the enthusiast crowd is going.

Osnabrueck · 06-27-2007, 03:57 PM

C'mon you limeys! Show us the prices!

06-27-2007, 02:05 PM	#121 (permalink)
AdvEvo Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 122 Thanks: 1 Thanked 34 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Spied: BMW 1-Series coupe, part 2 (fully exposed 135i!) I wil post pics but my race suspension is gone for a yearly checkup. A standard m sport sits to high on it s feet and because of that the car doesn t look as nice. The pics must perfect and brutal I also race in holland 130i cup this was my first outing with the race car. This is a nice pic - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER

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atuv Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 307 Thanks: 0 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Spied: BMW 1-Series coupe, part 2 (fully exposed 135i!) Wow 13 pages already looks like i missed all the fun anyway that rear is hideous,disaster OMG the ugliest german rear ever even more than the 6er IMHO damn looks like a damn kia rio or something...utterly disappointed

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Nikos120i Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 194 Thanks: 18 Thanked 62 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Spied: BMW 1-Series coupe, part 2 (fully exposed 135i!) Well...high prices can sometimes filter good from bad BMW-drivers-to-be. Also if you have noticed...rarely BMW gives various sales incentives such as 0% APR, at least in Greece. The lowest a dealer has gone is 5% APR, but usually it is 8.5%.

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Osnabrueck Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,858 Thanks: 233 Thanked 203 Times in 128 Posts	Re: Spied: BMW 1-Series coupe, part 2 (fully exposed 135i!) __________________________________________________ _______________ Model-PowerHpTorqueNm-Zero - 62 mphSeconds-Top SpeedMphCombinedMpg BMW 120d Coupé 177 350 7.6 141 58.9 BMW 123d Coupé 204 400 7.0 148 54.3 BMW 135i Coupé 306 400 5.3 155* 30.7 __________________________________________________ _______________ Ok - the sprint time of the 135i is being quoted as 5.3 from BMW UK. This must be conservative. Any thoughts?

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06-27-2007, 03:56 PM	#128 (permalink)
Nikos120i Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 194 Thanks: 18 Thanked 62 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Spied: BMW 1-Series coupe, part 2 (fully exposed 135i!) OMG...is the official press release on its way...or it has been released and we don't know it yet??? Read... "The new BMW 1 Series Coupé 27/06/2007 BMW is extending the 1 Series line-up in the UK with a new model consisting of a brace of high performance twin-turbocharged engines and a diesel capable of a frugal 58.9mpg. The new BMW 1 Series Coupé goes on sale in the UK in November and will be available in 120d, 123d and 135i guises. The 135i marks the first time a twin-turbo petrol engine has powered a 1 Series, while the launch of the 123d heralds the introduction of the world’s most powerful production four-cylinder diesel engine. The flagship of the range is the BMW 135i with its 3.0-litre twin-turbocharged petrol powerplant. Offering 306hp from its light alloy and magnesium straight-six engine, the 135i is capable of accelerating from zero to 62mph in 5.3 seconds before going on to an electronically-limited top speed of 155mph. Peak torque of 400Nm from just 1,300rpm through to 5,000rpm ensures smooth yet rapid progress and in-gear flexibility. Courtesy of High Precision Direct Injection for the most efficient burn of fuel mix and Bi-VANOS variable valve technology combined with lightweight engineering principles, the BMW 135i is capable of frugal motoring while maintaining its top end performance. The 2,979cc engine posts a 30.7mpg figure on the combined cycle and a CO2 emissions figure of 220g/km. BMW’s EfficientDynamics programme seeks to boost engine performance while at the same time cut fuel consumption and emissions. Second generation High Precision Direct Injection and Brake Energy Regeneration are both elements of EfficientDynamics deployed on the 135i Coupé. Frugal yet sporting The BMW 135i is joined in the range by another twin-turbocharged model to offer a unique blend of performance and economical motoring. The 204hp four-cylinder engine in the BMW 123d Coupé sets a benchmark for small diesels. Its 1,995cc powerplant is the world’s first all aluminium diesel to have an output per litre figure in excess of 100hp – something only BMW M cars usually attain. It is also the first four-cylinder production diesel to come with twin-turbo technology. Peak torque is 400Nm from 2,000rpm, while the engine revs to in excess of 4,400rpm where peak power is attained. This performance equates to a zero to 62mph time of 7.0 seconds and a top speed of 148mph – previously unheard of figures in such small capacity production diesels. By comparison the output of the four-cylinder BMW 123d betters that of established six-cylinder diesel engines from both Audi and Mercedes. The BMW 123d Coupé also makes financial sense. Its 138g/km emissions figure sees it fall into the Band C Vehicle Excise Duty tier while the fuel consumption figure on the combined cycle is 54.3mpg. It is aided in this by the use of elements from BMW’s renowned EfficientDynamics programme. The 123d comes with Auto Start-Stop technology, Brake Energy Regeneration, third-generation common-rail fuel injection, a diesel particulate filter, active aerodynamics, Electric Power Steering and low rolling resistance tyres. For customers seeking an entry point into the new 1 Series Coupé range, the 120d offers another option of style, driving dynamics and parsimonious motoring. Its 1,995cc four-cylinder engine mixes a 177hp output and a zero to 62mph time of 7.6 seconds with 58.8mpg economy and emissions of just 128g/km. The same EfficientDynamics technologies used on the 123d are also deployed on the 120d. Dynamic capability Like every BMW before it, except xDrive models, the new BMW 1 Series Coupé has 50:50 weight distribution and a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive configuration for the best in driving dynamics. To offer the most compliant yet sporting ride and the best in directional stability, the 1 Series Coupé has a double-joint spring strut front axle arrangement with a five-link rear suspension. Such an arrangement allows engineers greater scope in fine tuning the ride characteristics of the car. Dynamic Stability Control is standard on the 120d Coupé to act as an electronic safety blanket for the driver. Dynamic Traction Control is a further function of DSC that permits a greater degree of wheelslip for more spirited driving. The BMW 123d and the 135i come as standard with Dynamic Stability Control+ with its five additional safety features of Soft Stop, Hill start assistant, Brake Drying, Brake pre-tensioning and Brake fade compensation. In addition to this the 135i Coupé has a high performance braking system featuring six-piston callipers for greater retardation. Design The BMW 1 Series Coupé uses the same architecture as the three- and five-door models, but is shrouded in an elongated coupé body to emphasise the sporting nature of the car. The 1 Series Coupé is 4,360mm long (133mm more than other 1 Series) and 1,934mm wide (1mm more). The slight increase in body size means the boot space swells from 350-litres to 370-litres. A standard 60:40 rear seat split permits greater load flexibility allowing for items to be stored in place of one or both rear seat occupants. The BMW 120d Coupé will be available in ES, SE and M Sport guises, while the 123d Coupé will be offered in SE and M Sport and the 135i Coupé just as an M Sport. M Sport raises the specification bar by including 17-inch light alloy wheels on the 120d and 123d Coupé but unique 18-inch light alloy wheels on the 135i Coupé, M Aerodynamic package, M Sports suspension, Sports seats, High-gloss Shadowline exterior trim, M leather steering wheel, M designation door sills and Anthracite headlining. Prices for all three models will be announced closer to the on sale date. Model Power Hp Torque Nm Zero - 62 mph Seconds Top Speed Mph Combined Mpg BMW 120d Coupé 177 350 7.6 141 58.9 BMW 123d Coupé 204 400 7.0 148 54.3 BMW 135i Coupé 306 400 5.3 155* 30.7 * Electronically-limited Source: - ONLY REGISTERED AND ACTIVATED USERS CAN SEE ALL LINKS - CLICK HERE TO REGISTER

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